5 years/252 million makes my head swim. A 50m AAV is not what miller is worth. I actually like the new CBA, which is a minority opinion. The second apron/hard cap/repeater tax are all good things. I don’t like how the NBA flirted with MLB style salary management. The previous tax penalties were simply not sufficient. I believe at one point 3-4 years ago the warriors were looking at a 250m tax in addition to their 200m roster. For a wealthy team, wealthy ownership group, and an arena and market that rakes in money, that’s not an insurmountable fee.
A relatively straightforward change: if a team drafts a player and re signs him, they should receive a salary cap discount, say 25%. So if miller is making 50m one season, the hornets salary cap only reflects 37.5m. Obviously, that salary cap savings goes away if he is traded to another team.
I love that idea of a salary cap discount for teams to retain drafted players. (Could add, can’t be to resign them after they play for another team; has to be continuously under contract)
That allows great young talents to get paid while also allowing teams to focus on building through the draft. I wonder if that also encourages team to draft more proven talent than draft projects, knowing that they need to continue the pipeline of digestible resigns.
Go get a player of Miller’s caliber for less than that in free agency. First of all they wouldn’t come here but secondly you have to retain your drafted assets as a team like us. Cap looking really nasty in a few years but that’s what it takes to win. And Kon looking like a supermax too so yeah it’s gonna get interesting in 2 or 3 season. I bet you everything I got that we extend Miller though unless something drastically changes.
Maybe I am overrating what we have seen from Brandon to this point but his ceiling projection is a 25-27 ppg all around scorer with good defense, and his archetype is a lot less common these days.
That’s why all of these draft picks are so important. We can keep good complimentary players on rookie contracts and pay our big 3. The vets will change, but we are building a good base that players will want to come and play here and we don’t have to pay that old “Hornets Tax” we used to.
My main issue is overpaying a mostly complimentary player like miller.
Don’t get me wrong, I really like him and really want him on the team long term. He simply just isn’t worth 25% of the total cap. You have to be so careful with those contracts.
No not at all. Hayward while healthy was more valuable than miller now but that is besides the point. The point is, it is a very dangerous thing to commit to a contract worth 25% of the cap. Very few players are actually worth that much and if you give one to a player that isn’t capable of producing that kind of value it kills your team building capabilities
y’all are saying that you aren’t (being disrespectful), but the talk and questioning of Miller as an absolute necessity on this team at whatever price the market dictates is Disrespectful.
This season
Hornets record with Miller 25-17 (.595)
Hornets record without Miller 3-14 (.176)
His impact on winning is unquestionable. Kon played all those games that Brandon was out. And no I’m not saying that Kon was not essential to winning AS WELL but winning has not happened without Brandon. Who happens to be our leading scorer who’s having a breakout 3rd year, comparable and in some ways better (scoring) than Paul George during his break out 3rd year. That’s right, Paul George didn’t come into the league as the “Paul George” he became. After 2 years in college compared to Brandon’s 1.
Availability? He played 74 of 82 games his rookie season, finishing 3rd for rookie of the year behind Wemby (the greatest prospect ever) and Chet (who wasn’t really even a rookie). He missed the bulk of his second year due to a ligament injury in his wrist. It wasn’t like something chronic that will plague him for his career. The shoulder issue early this season was frustrating to see but it magnified his importance on this team as I mentioned and he has shown no signs of it stopping his performance since returning. Had he played the entire season putting up these numbers we could easily be in top 6 contention (only 4.5 games out as is) and if that were the case Brandon likely would’ve been in the all-star conversation.
His archetype with his size, athleticism and two way impact is the most difficult and essential piece to acquire. And he’s only in year 3! How long have the Hornets waited for a piece like Brandon. I said this before we drafted him when everyone wanted Scoot instead. And now that we finally have him with what he has already demonstrated we’re gonna risk letting him walk or rush to move him out? For what? For who?
I would love to have him at a discount but if a max extension is what it takes to keep him here to build around him, Kon and Melo then it’s a no brainer in my eyes. There’s no question.
I am not arguing what you said with exception that he is not a max player as defined by the salary cap commitment of the cba.
The issue is systemic to the cba of the NBA.
Edit: hornets will probably max extend him. They really don’t have a choice. It still doesn’t make it worth the contract or even the correct move. I won’t fault them for doing it but it doesn’t change the fact that there are really only about 5-10 truly max players in the league NOT 2.5 per team
You’re not paying him for what he is at this point. You’re paying him for what he’s going to be. We’ve seen Melo still continue to grow into his game, I think Brandon should be given that same latitude.
Yes. It’s why I cannot be more stoked to have Kalkbrenner and Sion locked up for three more years at 2.5m per year.
People love to laugh and joke about the value and trading of 2nd round picks as afterthoughts all the time, which is usually indicative of several things. Those are usually the same group of people who hate the new CBA hard cap rules.
2nd round picks have no scaling salary obligations of 1st round picks. Or any other issue attached to rookie scale/terms/rights that1st round picks have. The days of the Hornets treating 2nd round picks as pure “cash considerations” are over.
The new CBA has increased the value of the draft. Instead of the 2nd round mostly be a joke, it’s fucking important. Our new FO knew exactly what they were doing getting in a position to own the high end 2nd round picks in that draft.
The executive assistant to the hornets staffer who proudly exclaims the shot clock countdown from 5. I’ll give him a 5 second countdown to his 5 second countdown, or be the backup if he’s sick.
melo’s executive chauffeur so he doesn’t drive.
Pat Connaughton’s backup hype man. If Patty C isn’t able to go for some reason, I’ll be the substitute hype man on the bench.
I guess my main point is getting lost. My main point is the cba.
Let’s look into the future where melo, Kon and miller are all maxed. That’s 75% of the entire cap in 3 players. If you are going to do that there is no combination of bench guys that can round that out if ALL three aren’t playing at all-nba levels.
It isn’t that I don’t think the right move is keeping miller, it’s almost irrelevant. It’s the dumb cba contract structures coupled with the cap.
Oh I agree, I just think the changes that need to be made are actually pretty straightforward. The new CBA gets a lot of things right. The new CBA only gets it half right though. It punishes the rich teams and irresponsible teams, but it needs to reward the teams that actually draft their players. Opposed to big market teams who can trade for whoever, and players choose sign with via free agency.
Small market teams are at a permanent disadvantage. The only advantage is the draft. Let that be an advantage.
I’m just enjoying this team so much right now I really don’t give a darn about contract talk. They’re amazing. LaMelo, Kon and BMill are on fire and that’s more entertaining than any other Hornets bball we’ve seen for over 20 years. I’m so grateful to this new management, coaching and staff for finally bringing a squad of great talent together so beautifully; 1 to 15; - well maybe 1 to 12 ha.
Enjoy them. Worry about the rest during the summer.
Yeah you’re right, I wonder if 66% is a better figure than 75%. I’m sure there are other incentives for teams in addition to the potential rule we’re talking about