With free agency only 10 days away, I’m not feeling good about Miles’ want to be here with the coaching situation and the way all this looks. Hope I’m very wrong about that.
Our lack of HC won’t help, but I do think he’s ‘in’ on the Hornets project. It all comes down, as is so often the case, to money. How hard is he going to push for the max, and is there a price, above which, we will say no?
Ball, Miles & PJ is a pretty good young starting group to be working with next season, and I’m sure Miles sees that.
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Is my understanding correct that a maximum he could receive is 5 years/173 million? (around 34-35m per season avg). Which would be insane.
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If Detroit offers him max would you take back Grant plus filler in S&T for Miles?
Jesus. If it happens, it happens. I can’t believe Grant somehow managed to average only 4 rebounds per game while averaging 32 minutes a game. That’s incredible. I’m very low on Grant. But a one year rental, so it doesn’t matter.
Everything feels like a train wreck.
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Max offer sheet for Miles from anyone other than the Hornets would be 4 years. Only we can offer him a 5 year deal.
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Right. But the max is 5/173. And that’s terrifying to me. Talked about being cap strapped. We’d never be able to find a center and 3andD wing we need. Lord god.
Ever since the Atkinson thing happened, it feels like things have gone from convoluted to potential train wreck. The optics are horrible. I’m just bracing at this point. I’m waiting for something stupid to happen. I feel like the Hornets will do something stupid before or during draft night that leaves me speechless. Which is hard to do. I just have a sense of dread.
If the offer comes straight from us, I’d think it would be sub the 173m/5 max. If it’s a counter to an offer sheet, it would be 130m/4. Either way, I don’t think we’re paying an absolute max.
If other teams don’t believe we’ll match the 130m/4, that’s concerning in a lot of ways. We look like we have really no clue how to manage people generally. From the 2 year extension to firing of a head coach, to picking the wrong head coach to offer a job to publicly, to offering a 60m offer to Miles last year, to losing him to an offer sheet when we said we’d do what it takes to keep him. That is bad management.
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Okay let’s see. Let’s look at our finals wings and their deals: Wiggins 5/147m, Tatum 5/163m, Jaylen Brown 4/106m deal.
I’m thinking he’ll get a deal closer to Wiggins. 5/140. Woof. My hope that it would be more like 5/125, but I’m pretty doubtful. Welcome to cap hell.
Didn’t see your post before posting mine. We’re on the same page.
The optics you speak of is the sentiment that has me feeling like there is an impending train wreck. It’s so hard to be a fan of this team.
Is the 4 year/130m the max that can be offered by another team?
Yes. I didn’t run the numbers but that should be it give or take a million.
I like him at 125/5. For each million over 25/yr I start getting concerned. But losing him entirely, whoo, that would be a wreck far worse than Kemba walking. The PR debacle that would be the Hornets over the last 2 months would be like finding a new layer to add to the burning dumpster floating down the flooded street.
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For all of you that say that re signing Miles is a no brainer, must sign priority. How do you feel about matching a 4/130 max offer sheet?
I think a team will offer him the max and the best we can do is a shitty S+T at this point.
Losing Miles on top of everything else this off-season would cap ‘Charlotte Sports’ Dumbest-Shit-I’ve-Ever-Seen’™, and I’ve been a panthers fan since the inception.
I still don’t understand the Terry extension at all, was completely unnecessary. We knew we needed to pony up for miles, we drafted terrys “replacement,” and we didn’t need to lock in an undersized one way 2 guard for the next 4 years to our once in a lifetime prospect. Especially with Gordon’s contract and PJs deal coming up.
I know hindsight is 20/20, but this “worst case scenario” we’re in right now was never that low a probability, and should’ve been baked in to the thought processing.
Now, Mitch did save some shit during the lean years with Kobe, so it’s not like he can’t find a few tricks up his sleeve. He’s on the edge of either pulling a couple magical moves towards greatness, or sending the hornets back into the infinite time loop of sadness that we’ve been cursed to since before we were born.
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I lean towards infinite time loop of sadness.
I know I have an unpopular opinion, but it seems the only way to step out of the infinite loop of sadness is to trade some players and shed contracts.
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Miles to me at over $25m per is an absolutely not.
Miles between 20-25m is ridiculous and I want no part of it.
I can’t believe he is going to get $25m plus. To me, if you aren’t massively affecting the game and the defensive planning AND can single handedly win 5 games each season you can’t be worth that money.
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Hey would have more leverage if he had made all star games or won some kind of awards, etc. but no. I still think he’ll get a big contract.
I’m with you Chef, I don’t want it. I think once people remove the emotion from it, it seems pretty clear.
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I think if Miles demands a huge contract, we might be better off offering a big contract to Ayton imo. I love Miles, I love the chemistry, but he is not a 30mil a year player.
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Miles is a good deal at 20-25m. The cap increase projections make the back end look more like low teens. You get into the 30s and that’s a real problem filling out the roster in the next year or two.
But this may be about not losing credibility entirely at this point. Even if they overpay, they might feel a need to act like they can predict one thing at least so signing him as a match on a max may be very palatable today where it wouldn’t have been pre Kenny.
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Base year comp makes Ayton real tough for us. Can only send out 20.5m iirc on a full max offer sheet in a sign and trade.