2023-24 Hornets General Discussion Thread

No idea about either of these guys. Upgrade?

Cool, cool, cool

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Charlotte players by the 4th quarter of every game

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Bolden is intriguing because he is super long with shot blocking potential, throws down thunderous dunks on the pick and roll, and can actually hit a three ball. Imagine, a properly sized Horncats center hitting three pointers. When was the last time for that? Spencer Hawes?

Mensah appears long but is WAY undersized. I wish him the best.

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Is Miles getting into Canada today?

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Well considering we actually did our homework this time, yes he got in. He would have gotten in last time but we did no due diligence considering his circumstances

We were gathering information at the time lol

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Sounds like miles’ sparkling people skills wasn’t able to get him into Canada last time.

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I love being a hornets fan. It’s like being able to watch a dumpster fire from inside the dumpster. And then having season tickets to that dumpster fire for life.

Courtside dumpster fire fan for life!

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So much so that we argue over the reason coaches have been fired, ankle braces, 6th men and a whole host of things other than deep playoff runs and winning basketball.

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Miles bridges…

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Anybody familiar with awful coaching YouTube channel? My son sent my this video. I’m not a x and o guru, but I don’t think he’s wrong.

I could watch this channel but this guy is unbearable. I bet he is just a peach at a restaurant with his wife.

What a twat. Stopped listening after about one minute.

The premise of his channel seems, from my very short viewing window, to be, any mistake in defensive coverage or reads is on the coach and the players are exonerated. Right …

Not really. I actually think he has a pretty good channel if only he dialed the negative Jim rome talking head schtick down from a 10 to about a 2.

He really does a good job deciphering between players failing to hustle and generally understand defensive positioning and concepts and the coaches overall scheme issues.

However he actually makes it very difficult for me to watch because he is so negative and insulting.

I need zero of that in my life right now.

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I can’t read because it’s paywalled, but at what point does the organization stop listening to him. As eastley, very smartly, pointed out, the new guys came in and played a beautiful brand of basketball right up until Cliff had a week to get them into his system. Since then, it is straight back to the clogged toilet we have seen for his entire two terms in office.

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I gotcha, here you go:

"Even with the absurd amount of injuries and the constant juggling of new five-player lineups, Steve Clifford remains convinced the Charlotte Hornets can still win games. Their razor-thin margin means there’s a formula they must follow to have a much better chance at doing just that, though, and the coach is trying to drill it into the Hornets’ heads. ā€œWe need to play with more pace, up and down,ā€ Clifford said. ā€œAnd the other thing is the ball has got to hit the paint. We’ve got to get the ball going to the basket. And we’ve been really good at that at times, and then in this last stretch of games not as good. ā€œBut that ball’s got to hit the paint.ā€

That extra pass is key for the Hornets and they were at their best against the Washington Wizards on Friday night when they made the extra pass. But that all disappeared in the fourth quarter, when they chalked up just one assist before the closing seconds and wilted in a 112-100 defeat at Capital One Arena, pushing their losing streak to six games. ā€œWe’re not going to be a high-powered offensive team,ā€ Clifford said. ā€œWe don’t have that kind of roster right now and that ball has got to move like it did in the third quarter we are going to be fine. And when it doesn’t and the ball sticks, we just don’t have that kind of team.ā€

Clifford can’t be happy the Hornets didn’t heed his message long enough, especially in crunch time against a Wizards team that hadn’t won since January. He’s constantly driving home his point while teaching during their team video sessions, utilizing their flat screen television on wheels to ensure there are visuals supporting his expectations. ā€œIf I didn’t, I’d be an idiot,ā€ Clifford said. ā€œNo, I show them everything.ā€ More film study is probably in order then.

Davis Bertans is one of the beneficiaries of solid ball movement, and he pointed out how certain floor combinations sometimes make it difficult for the Hornets to whip it around and break the defense down. ā€œI think that’s because of all of the players who were traded here, only a couple are ball-handlers,ā€ Bertans said. ā€œVasa (Vasilije Micić) can handle it, but he’s still a good ball movement guy, Seth (Curry), even though he’s out, he’s basically the same movement guy like me. I barely dribble the ball, so Grant (Williams) also loves to move it. ā€œSo, we kind of have a good balance of guys who can attack the rim by themselves and then have the rest of us kind of get the ball moving and that kind of opens up the game for everybody else.ā€

If they can do that more frequently and cut back on the stagnant possessions that seem to stack up, often leading to droughts and subsequent deficits, maybe the Hornets will reverse their fortunes and get back to how they were playing around the All-Star break. There’s a trickle-down effect associated with some of the sport’s intricacies that seem so inconsequential at times, yet are so important. Eliminating ineffective one-on-one play caused by the ball sticking in a player’s hands too long falls into that category, and it’s another one of the small things these Hornets have to learn as they attempt to establish a brand of basketball that is effective regardless of who’s on the court.

ā€œIt’s trusted energy, it’s contagious,ā€ Williams said. ā€œWhen you play a game that everyone enjoys playing, everyone really respects each other’s potential, getting the ball, moving it, trusting your teammates, it allows you to play with a certain level of chemistry and trust, and it allows you to play with a certain level of chemistry and trust."

Thank you!

At what point does he come to the realization that it is something he is either doing or not doing? That the issue is him.

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It seems the ones with the stickiest hands are Miles by far, and Cody when he was in hero pg role. And only one person had the power to enable any of it.

And he absolutely bogs down the offense. I know every team runs the same basic sets, nothing new in the league. The innovations are more in the reads, misdirections, or ability of the ball handler to create pressure from either their driving or deep shooting ability.

There’s just something about the way Cliff has his offense run where it seems either players are confused what they need to do, or he only allows 2-3 players complete freedom while everyone else is scared to make a play. There is no free flow that other teams seem to have in there sets, the constant passing and moving to the open player. It’s stickiness like he says, and then jacking up a tough guarded shot as the shot clock expires.

I’m not sure how he squares his wanting to push pace, yet can’t get a decent shot off in 24 seconds constantly.

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