For the first time, I did not allow myself to be abused. And it feels marvelous
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Iām sure folks will get wrapped around the axle on his agentās ask. We, and the Hornets apparently agree thatās too rich, but I donāt fault them for asking considering he was elevated to a starter with Bridgesā situation playing out as it was.
But I do hope we can agree that if we can sign him for around 12-13m annually, thatās a great value for us.
Bye Felicia
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4/60M and not a penny more. Take it or leave it.
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I think we made the right decision by not going 20 million a year this early. I am not even sure we do 13 over 4 years. But that is about the price range i was thinking.
Thatās insane based on his performance. Heās a 10m a year player and thatās being generous
The Wendell carter jr contract was a perfectly reasonable comparison for PJ to take.
4/50=12.5 per
4/60=15 per
If PJ wants more than 4/60, he can definitely take a hike. And I donāt feel super great about the 4/60. Maybe if the 4/60 is front loaded.
I hope Clay Davis is Mitch, and we donāt end up being Stringer getting scammed instead.
Well call me McNulty because Iām just out here calling it as I see.
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Hornets win , some bad calls at the end but we still pulled it out.
I really think Carter might be a little better, good compairson .
Going back to the āprolonged apathyā theme ā¦ itās simply because weāve never committed to a rebuild. We have had neither the intelligence nor the patience to do it, so we tend to meander between poor and below average. Happy to *pay good players as though they are really good players, only to see them reduce our odds at drafting a difference maker, without taking us to the promised land of the 2nd round! NBA purgatory.
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Wouldnāt it be funny?
To lose both miles bridges and pj Washington for nothing to free agency?
If we look at this team objectively, it has no assets other than Lamelo ball. Hayward has almost missed more games than heās played and has another year of 30m. Rozierās contract is hard to move, miles may be done in the league for a while, PJ is another classic āgoodā player who wants āvery good playerā money, Bouknight is a bust. The rest are role players and developmental rough gems.
Plumlee is the most moveable player because of his team friendly contract. I could absolutely imagine a playoff team with front court needs trading for him. And the return wouldnāt be very exciting anyways.
The hornets have untouchable Lamelo, negative value assets (rozier and Hayward), rough gem projects (Williams, Thor, Kai jones), role players (Martin, mcdaniels, smith, Theo), and a the very tradeable contract of plumlee.
And Iām not sure how interested other teams are in PJ. So in terms of a rebuild, itās not like this team is sitting on assets. Sure, the Lakers wanted Rozier. Is getting some 1st round picks from 5-6 years from now really rebuilding? When Terryās contract expires years before weād even use those first rounders.
The theory of the roster build couldāve been entertaining, and semi-successful. A non-injured Gordon just makes the team so much better. Even if heās not wowing anyone, the cohesiveness, movement - we look like an actual team. Heās basically a glue guy with really nice skills. A non assaulting Miles wouldāve added 22+ points with the added rim pressure threat, opening up the lanes and shooting for Terry and Melo. PJ could thrive in his bench role and Mason could cleanup.
But living in the version of the universe that must punish the Hornets, we canāt have any of those nice things. Gordon will have value for sure in the offseason as a big expiring who may be able to help a veteran contender off the bench to protect his health. If he can come back quick (I know, I know) and play regularly til the all star game, his glue-iness would be very valuable to a competitive team like Dallas or the Clippers, would be great on the Heat. And Philly. And Brooklyn. Shit, anybody really
I still think PJ is basically a shorter Morris twin, or Portis/Crowder type role player. $20M per year is laughable, I understand his agent may have wanted him to prove it like Miles did last year. Marcus Morris has been getting $15M regularly, but PJ has also never put up Marcus numbers either, so probably the $12-$14M range is where this role playing forward will be.
Terry and Oubre have trade value this year, since theyāre both healthy and can get 20 points semi regularly. Oubre is perfect wing depth for a contender, and Terry is good enough that a desperate team with backcourt needs may take on his contract. Out of Gordon/Terry/Oubre, I feel thereās at least a late 1st, maybe 2 that could be squeezed out, definitely several second rounders to feed our ever competitive Swarm team.
2 first rounders next year will be crucial to add young depth and a potential foundational piece. If Iām Mitch, Iām definitely taking calls on everyone. Whenever we play OKC, Iād start Kai and Bouk and Thor, see if they play good enough where they may want to trade any of their 200 1st rounders to take a chance on one of these guys.
Chances of these good things happening: about 1.004%
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I said this 5 months ago
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i was right there with you man. i wanted to get rid of terry and gordonās contracts at all costs to go ahead and hit the reset button. they wont net us any real assets, but at least we could go ahead and hit the restart button instead of delaying
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holy shit how could i forget oubre. you can lump in kelly oubre in with plumlee as a good contract to trade that teams in contention would want to take on.
[CHEF} I have to disagree about our assets this year. Long term cash straped teams looking to move players helps us tons . Plumlee I think is starting is showing contenders he is a nice back up center on a expiring contract. Expiring is value in itās self . Oubre is in that same boat expiring who can score 20ppg could net a nice first.PJ is a rfa who can be a nice fifth man or a nice rotation piece. No long term money tied up thair. He should net a nice return. Terry is not really over paid now days and could put a team over the hump to get into the playoffs. Netting a first his self. DSJ with his start could net us a low first or a second turning out to be much more than expected. Calderone the same might net a 2nd. Kai nets a first I think teams are still very interested in him . We have one big to many Donāt know who should go beside Plumlee. Hayward might still have a neckative value . But it might be close to nutural this year any expiring could be a step foward in a rebuild. Westbrook might be a option. At worst we should have the money to sign a max player we might be able to sign two. We in real good shape to put players around Melo