This comes out as not sympathetic to women imo. Clearly it is not nothing
DUDE I AM THINKING ABOUT IT FROM A BASKETBALL PERSPECTIVE… THE NOTHING REFERS TO WHAT WE WOULD GET IN RETURN FOR LOSING MILES THIS OFFSEASON. Not the reason for losing him.
Sorry for the caps but you are trying to paint me as something that I am not lol.
My guy, I am not trying to paint you in anyway, I am just saying how your statement seems like. I am sure you don’t support DV, nobody in this forum does (that I saw). At the end of the day Basketball Perspective = Business Perspective, and it is a bad look to harbor an abuser in the Hornets and Jordan brand imo.
It would be nice to at least get something for him if we could, and let him be someone else’s problem. Maybe that’s another reason why we are waiting…
Let me see if I can clarify this before it gets a little crazy…
I don’t think anybody here is pro wife beating, or pro keeping wife beaters. From what I’m gathering from GoBobcats is that, from a business standpoint, especially when it involves millions of dollars and the future of your billion dollar business, you must always, always do your due diligence. You uncover everything you can, good or bad, even if you understand it looks bad, because that’s smart business.
Like at a trial, a defendant can look guilty and have motive, but until all the evidence is gathered, interviews done, there is a chance something else nefarious could’ve been done. I know the evidence seems pretty strong and most likely the worst case against Miles, but again, for a multimillion dollar investment that can have rippling ramifications for years down the road, you want to be absolutely sure that this is actually the case, and that there is no mitigating circumstances, or some other, infinitesimally small (but not impossible) chance that he wasn’t responsible.
Plus, also on the business side, I believe by maintaining the cap hold of the qualifying offer, it leaves open our ability to use the 2 exceptions to sign good vets to help the team. So even if we have no intention of ever having him back on the team, the cap manipulation would serve us better.
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Thank you very much for this. You nailed my thoughts exactly in a much more eloquent way than I was framing them
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QC, thanks as usual for your balanced approach to framing this discussion. I echo much of what has been said. I think it’s fair to assume that everyone here is appalled by what happened and that no one thinks that abusing women is ok. With that being said, we are all still concerned about this team and want it to be as successful as possible. Both of those interests can coexist, and I think that’s the vein in which gobobcats was speaking. I think the other likely reality that gogbobcats was addressing is that right or wrong, whether we like it or not, it is not entirely out of the question that Miles may be back in the NBA at some point, just like Greg Hardy eventually played football again and just like Deshaun Watson probably will. If that were to somehow happen within the next year, I don’t think it’s wrong or insensitive for the organization to take steps to protect its assets.
If, after the matter is properly adjudicated, things are as bad as they appear at the moment, I think most of us would prefer that Miles never wear a Hornets jersey again. But if another team feels differently and we could receive a measure of compensation for the asset, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that either. After all, the Hornets as an organization are not the guilty party here, yet we have been adversely impacted by the situation. If we can somehow mitigate that damage by not rescinding the QO immediately, I understand that decision from a business perspective.
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The organization is giving Miles every chance in the world. He needs support. He especially needs to keep his hands off other people particularly women. This entire situation is just sad.
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Ha I just typed a rap lyric with a bunch of offensive words in it, in the style of RTB MB.
It wasn’t hard.
But I deleted that and am just posting this instead.
Whenever I feel the least bit sorry or concerned that Miles may be redeemable, I remember his YouTube videos and am just disgusted. Sorry - over MB.
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I can leave things open for redemption, but I’m moving on.
While Miles had no business laying his hands on his wife, I don’t find it unforgivable and a reason to have his whole career ruined. As far as I am concerned, as long as he shows contrition and he agrees to seek therapy, and he has a true desire to change, there is no reason he shouldn’t be able resume his career, be it with our Hornets or for some other team. A lengthy suspension should be enough punishment at that point.
I realize Miles lost a big pay day but he should still end up paying his wife a ton of money. The best way for his wife to send a message is to have it cost him a fortune in restitution! I am sure he will avoid jail time.
Hard pass. Don’t want him on my team. For someone to beat their wife life that, I can guarantee you that DV has been happening for a while. No one goes from zero to sixty without any prior altercations. Unfortunately, this one was worse and got more physical. DV includes verbal and emotional as well. Source: my professional experience and educational background.
And of course, my above statement could absolutely be wrong. But the data suggests this being an isolated incident would be an outlier.
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If Jesus can forgive a true and contrite heart, so can I. If Michael Vick can change than so can Miles.
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All of that is true. But I am not committing any future cap space to it
Like Vick, maybe miles can change after a few years of proving himself and then he can come back. But for now, the hornets don’t owe wife beaters like miles anything.
And get out of here with the Jesus stuff, this is an NBA franchise, not church.
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Taking it a little far . Don’t want this to blowup but please respect others beliefs in religion.
Though i agree with you about Miles
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I respect their belief in religion. They can also respect that religion doesn’t equate to being accepting of people who beat their partners. Miles can find god all he wants to hypothetically, but that doesn’t mean I want him on my team.
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I don’t want to turn this into a religious debate, and I can’t speak for all religions, but as a Christian, I want to be clear that Christianity does not “accept” or excuse domestic violence, however it is accepting of anyone who is willing to acknowledge their shortcomings and strives to do better. That’s an important distinction, and while I don’t want to speak for Deadly Swarm, I also don’t want his post to be misconstrued because I think that’s the point he was trying to make.
With all of that said, forgiveness does not equate to a lack of consequences. So if Miles is found guilty of the allegations against him, there should absolutely be significant consequences.
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Since religion is a very personal subject, its best to discuss it over in the Off Topic board.
I don’t think DeadlySwarm was trying to proselytize, and I read Powells comments as more of a throw away line similar to his normal posting style. But rereading that line, you can see how it can be interpreted in a harsher way.
I don’t think any religion, or spiritual belief, or any moral code accepts domestic violence, so theres not a specific better way, or more insightful understanding of the situation (I don’t think anyones doing that here by the way). It’s basically just how you view humanity, and if you’re able to eventually trust someone to self reflect and become a better person after committing a horrible mistake.
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Following up to Thundercats, I also didn’t see any religious direction. I think DeadlySwarm is saying that he can forgive Miles and be accepting in the team, and clearly Powell, I, and other don’t agree with this where an NBA franchise should not harbor an abuser. At the end of the day NBA should represent best athletes in the sport of basketball, and this extends to these athletes daily and personal lives. That is why they are getting paid a fortune to play, and it is their responsibility to the fans to keep their lives in check, and aspire to be role-models for future generations.
Once they are done with the NBA, they can do whatever the f they want.
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